president obama in the third debate with mitt romney promising to sequester those across the board cuts to spending to kick in january 1st will not happen. and to avoid the fiscal cliff, sequestration is on the table, and some think-- and okay, james, so, 500 billion dollars in defense already built in to cut. then sequester would cut another 500 billion over ten years, and why should republicans go along with that? >> because, this is really their only leverage on president obama, and i think that as congressman jordan has said, the only thing worse than a defense cut is no cut at all. what you get with the sequester is defense, but also cuts in the social-- >> another 500 billion dollars in domestic discretionary, too. >> right, and it adds up to about 100 billion in 2013. i think you will find that president obama will go a long way to avoid those roughly 44 billion in cuts this year, to social programs and i think if you want to get a deal out of him with meaningful reform on spending or tacks, this is, this is the key leverage point and if it happens, it happens. >> and you get som